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Post by 35005CP on Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:44 am

News on the Bluebell Website states that they are either considering a Turntable or a Triangle once the line is complete to East Grinstead to accomodate mainline engines.

"The issue was the subject of a presentation by Chris White at the BRPS committee meeting on 21st October 2011.
It is clear that locos and support coaches from incoming rail tours will need to be turned on arrival at the Bluebell. If we cannot offer the facility, it will limit our ability act as a destination. It can also be used to even out flange wear on our locos, and balance the effects of weather on carriages.

A turntable is not ruled out for future, but is not currently affordable (quite apart from the problem of where you'd site it) - options for obtaining one have been investigated, including an inspection of one available to us on another preservation site, in need of major repairs. It's concluded that a repair or a new one (which might be a better option!) would both cost in the region of £500,000 and that transport, construction of a pit and installation would cost another £250,000.

A Triangle at Horsted Keynes appears feasible, and is also very useful in permitting the re-use of the vast quantity of clay and sandstone capping currently stored at Imberhorne. Using the capping to construct a spur at HK is a very cheap option. Although we can sell the capping, people looking to buy it expect it to be delivered f.o.c., and so the cost to us of following that option would actually be several hundred thousand pounds. A spur of quite tight curvature (4.5 or 5 chains radius) between Ardingly and SP lines appears feasible, but might require slight re-allignment of one or both lines, but if on further investigation that is not possible, there are other arrangements which might offer less sharp curvature. Triangles with 5 chain radius were used by Bulleid Pacifics regularly at Chichester and Branksome, but the study will include confirmation that the achievable curvature (with the appropriate gauge-spread) is OK for occasional very low speed use by all potential visiting engines. Since it would only be for occasional use, one option for access might be via groundframes released by the single line token, so hopefully avoiding any alteration to HK signalling plans.

Following agreement from BRPS Trustees that this approach should be investigated further, a detailed plan for a triangle will now be worked up. Public access for a nature walk, which is planned to include the area within the triangle, will remain feasible, and a full ecological survey (impact on trees and wildlife) will be needed. As with the existing extension of the Ardingly spur, the new embankment would be well shielded from the road by mature trees, so it is hoped that planning permission will be fairly straightforward.

In short this proposal would enable us to accept incoming railtours and turn vehicles as required, has effectively no substantial cost, and importantly enables us to re-use the mountain of capping from Imberhorne for an engineering purpose. It looks like a win-win proposal, and as stated earlier, does not rule out the (expensive and longer term) possibility of installing a turntable."

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Post by 35012 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:35 am

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this project. Engineers have just surveyed the site at HK and there seems to be some concern as to whether the missing side of the triangle can be installed with a workable radius. As the triangle will be vital for railtour traffic one has to assume that it would need to handle something as big as 35028. Anyone know what the minimum chainage curve is for a Merchant Navy? The site is very tight even if the running line slewed to the down / eastern side of the formation.


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